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	and obviously tusnade would be leader if the 3 sannin were on a team because jiraiya would decline....... and well hell orochimaru is gay and a psycho i mean he may be like the hokage of the sound but he still the worst leader ever..... hes totally evil and doesnt mind betraying and killing his teammates.....

yeah oruchimaru could be the worst leader.. but it doesnt mean.. he couldn't b the leader... oruchimaru want to be d best.. and i dnt think he will take orders from the two... and being evil doesnt also mean u cant b a leader... as a matter of fact.. u can lead all the villains.... i'll say if the 3 is in one group.. oru could be the leader.. in there time.. he was the one being train by the 3rd.. and i think.. he is also the one leading there group.. oru is the wisest among the 3..

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	and the reason i give so much credit to sakura is because its once again after the timeskip, if it was before then sakura is just useless and sasuke would be leader, but after the timeskip sakura has learned much from the hokage on how to be a leader....

for all i know.. sakura is being trained by tsunade to become a medical nin.. she learn so much from tsunade but i nevrheard she was trained by tsunade to become a gud leader.. hehehehhe just correct me if im wrong....

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ok about the naruto and fear recca ur way off..... first of all even if naruto is afraid of gaara and orochimaru at least he still fought.....and sasuke had no idea that that was orochimaru they all thought that it was just another genin and oroch was targeting naruto also cause they were fighting while sasuke jus watched in fear...... and correojon question was could u paralyze naruto with FEAR, not a teqnique read things more carfully...... i mean itachi could paralyze even the most fearless ppl with the mangekyou i mean cmon u have a mental breakdown......

for all i know... he has no business with naruto... the main target was sasuke so he cn give him the curse seal.. ofcourse the 3 is in separable so he needs also to fight naruto.. maybe oruchimaru did something to paralise sasuke.. coz i dnt think u can just paralise someone with just fear.. ok lets say he was really paralise with just fear.. but u think it could happen again?? now they have gain alot of experinece and became more stronger...

oopsss... hehe mental breakdown??? hehehe.. uhmm let me think... 1st of all i think u are the one who should read carefully... i clearly stated that im not that sure.. and... let see... correojon didnt mention about without using a technique right?? using genjutsu and paralysing ur enemy by making illusion that he is very afraid of and resulting in paralisation of ur enemy due to fear to the ilussion u made.. is just like paralysing a person bcoz of fear? u just used genjutso to accomplish it....

hehehe.. maybe u dnt just understand what i mean.. try to read and understand carefully.... if i had mental breakdown.. i think u had mental lapses when ur posting ur reply... heheheheh

Ok, here we go. Intelligence, Tactics ,Determination ,Teamwork, Caring for the others, The ability to inspire,Loyalty, and right hand are the categories I myself would choose..so again..I agree with Correojon. Sasuke is SMARTER than Naruto in "theory" but Naruto has a better.....hmmm..I'd say...instinct (he finds a way to win in the midst of battle by using unique tactics that are VERY..VERY effective). Also, people forget how important morale is to a team. Sasuke would have a depressed team (lol..I'm just exagarating a lil...but it's a good example) while Naruto would have an excited team and would have a team who always believes they can achieve anthing...this category ALONE is what alot of people (well I know I do..) think of when describing leadership qualities. Sasuke's good qualities are not good enough to compensate for his enormous flaws, where as Naruto at least has his saving graces.

Magic, no offense but you seem to be giving Sasuke too much credit. Sasuke does NOT deserve a 4 in your "comeback" category. Unless you mean coming back after Naruto saves him. Also his "solo strategy " category I would disagree with. Naruto's combat tactics are very unorthodox/unpredictable...and you can make the arguement in saying they're genius. I would also say sasuke's ability to "control himself" should be on level with naruto. Naruto is more immature, but Sasuke is mentally weak. Sasuke has always had mental breakdowns, and they didn't even have to come from Jutsu. Sasuke is only alive because people have LET him live. -coughs- Itachi and Haku -cough cough- Noticing things is almost unfair when comparing Sasuke and Naruto, as well. I don't know if you remember or not but Sasuke can see through most of the things easier than Naruto because he has the uhm...Sharingan. Sure, he is a little more...disciplined (if you will) than Naruto, but thats like saying Neji can see farther than Naruto...it's kind of something that shouldn't be taken into consideration. Also, for someone who was mocking about Naruto needing kyuubi. Look at Sasuke...its like he has a SEMI kyuubi with his seal AND he has the mighty sharingan. He managed to get whupped by someone who had never seen a sharingan (rock-lee when they first met). Oh, and about Naruto and Orochomaru. Sasuke was terrified and frozen solid pretty much by fear and Naruto was also terrified. The difference in them though is that Naruto's mental toughness/will gets him through surpass it (not getting over it, entirely...but willing himself to battle, unlike Sasuke). Sasuke has frozen on more than one occasion...does anybody remember where he was about to stab himself in the fight between Zabuza and Kakashi because he co uldn't take the tension? well...at least I think he was about to..kakashi had to tell him to stop. Then against Orochimaru...then Gaara. Sasuke has too many flaws. The other sad part about it is that he is trying to get more power through someone who is pretty much terrified of Itachi. Jesus....he's a traitor and not only did he JUST defect..he defected to Mr. Hokage killer....who is ALSO a traitor (he not only betrayed konoha..but he betrayed Akatsuki too! We all know how high Akatsuki's morals and standards are, too so yeah....<__<..) and all he wants Sasuke's body (as nasty as that sounds, I mean that literally...)..and Sasuke knows it, no less. Does anybody see why I think Sasuke should NEVER be said in the same phrase as "Leader"?

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yeah oruchimaru could be the worst leader.. but it doesnt mean.. he couldn't b the leader... oruchimaru want to be d best.. and i dnt think he will take orders from the two... and being evil doesnt also mean u cant b a leader... as a matter of fact.. u can lead all the villains.... i'll say if the 3 is in one group.. oru could be the leader.. in there time.. he was the one being train by the 3rd.. and i think.. he is also the one leading there group.. oru is the wisest among the 3..

yah i no orochimaru leads a group of enemies but he does a poor job of it and he wasnt chosen for the 5th hokage for a reason even tho he requested for 5th hokage hes just too fixed of getting power (just like sasuke) and thats the reason he wasnt chosen for 5th............ and u just admited that he could be worst leader well then obviously he shouldnt be leader........

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for all i know... he has no business with naruto... the main target was sasuke so he cn give him the curse seal.. ofcourse the 3 is in separable so he needs also to fight naruto.. maybe oruchimaru did something to paralise sasuke.. coz i dnt think u can just paralise someone with just fear.. ok lets say he was really paralise with just fear.. but u think it could happen again?? now they have gain alot of experinece and became more stronger...

but sasuke didnt no that orochimaru was targeting him only and i saw the fight and he basically targeted naruto and sasuke equally. and i dont think it could happen again but whos nos over the series sasuke has had a lot breakdowns (as said by tenken in the above post) and after timeskip who nos he still have them when fighting a really strong enemy.

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oopsss... hehe mental breakdown??? hehehe.. uhmm let me think... 1st of all i think u are the one who should read carefully... i clearly stated that im not that sure.. and... let see... correojon didnt mention about without using a technique right?? using genjutsu and paralysing ur enemy by making illusion that he is very afraid of and resulting in paralisation of ur enemy due to fear to the ilussion u made.. is just like paralysing a person bcoz of fear? u just used genjutso to accomplish it....

ok well i guess correojon didnt clarify but its kinda intended that he meant fear of the enemy not from a teqnique, i guess he can clarify when he posts here again......... and paralyzing sum1 wit a technique is very diff from paralyzing sum1 wit fear.... fear is like ur afraid of how powerful they are and technique is like forcing them to be afraid or w/e (hard to explain ) and sorry i kinda worded that weirdly but i didnt mean that u were having a mental breakdown i was trying to say that the mangekyou causes ppl to have mental breakdowns

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	You´re wrong, as we all saw how Naruto wasn´t paralized by fear. Do you think that someone can paralize Naruto with fear? He may be a stupid and lack a lotof skills but he´s got an enormous determination and has decided to follow his way of Ninja no matter what it costs. Naruto´s trademark skill is that he never gives up or runs away

I think it´s pretty obvious what I meant, as you can´t break genjutsu with determination alone. Fear is an emotion and not a technique.

Naruto was also afraid of Orochimaru back then, but his memories of Sasuke calling him "scaredy-cat" allowed him to overcome his fear. Same as when Neji called him "dropout": from these insults Naruto gains strength and determination, while Sasuke crumbles and paralyzes or searchs for the easiest way to gain power.

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	the case of sasuke.. he was the target of oruchimaru.. but if u place naruto in the shoes of sasuke.. dnt u think same will happen

You are forgetting that Naruto is being targeted by Itachi himself, who even Orochimaru is afraid of, so I don´t think you can say that without lying. When Naruto first encountered Itachi and Kisame he tried to fight, but Jiraiya got there and stopped him.

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yeah oruchimaru could be the worst leader.. but it doesnt mean.. he couldn't b the leader... oruchimaru want to be d best.. and i dnt think he will take orders from the two... and being evil doesnt also mean u cant b a leader... as a matter of fact.. u can lead all the villains.... i'll say if the 3 is in one group.. oru could be the leader.. in there time.. he was the one being train by the 3rd.. and i think.. he is also the one leading there group.. oru is the wisest among the 3..

Fact 1:
-Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru were all trained by the third. So this it isn´t any advantage for Orochimaru over Jira and Tsuna.
-The statement <i>oruchimaru could be the worst leader.. but it doesnt mean.. he couldn't b the leader</i> is contradictory. Unless you mean that he could be the leader if both Jira and Tsuna died, so he would be leading a man team composed of him and his shadow.
-<i>and i think.. he is also the one leading there group</i>: there´s no evidence of that. The third was the leader of the group just like Kakashi lead team 7. The only thing we know about when the sannins were genins is that Orochimaru was the most advanced of them all, but the third already was troubled because of his anxiety for power and his total lack of respect for the life of his comrades. Sarutobi knew this, so I strongly doubt that he chose Orochimaru to lead the team.

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Ok, here we go. Intelligence, Tactics ,Determination ,Teamwork, Caring for the others, The ability to inspire,Loyalty, and right hand are the categories I myself would choose..so again..I agree with Correojon. Sasuke is SMARTER than Naruto in "theory" but Naruto has a better.....hmmm..I'd say...instinct (he finds a way to win in the midst of battle by using unique tactics that are VERY..VERY effective). Also, people forget how important morale is to a team. Sasuke would have a depressed team (lol..I'm just exagarating a lil...but it's a good example) while Naruto would have an excited team and would have a team who always believes they can achieve anthing...this category ALONE is what alot of people (well I know I do..) think of when describing leadership qualities. Sasuke's good qualities are not good enough to compensate for his enormous flaws, where as Naruto at least has his saving graces

I agree with every single word I hadn´t thought of the instinct thing and it´s true that it´s THE SKILL that allows Naruto to defeat smarter enemies. The morale thing is a good point too...think about a Shino-Shikamaru-Sasuke team...I bet that 5 minutes after the mission started they would all be crying XD just joking XD

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Magic, no offense but you seem to be giving Sasuke too much credit. Sasuke does NOT deserve a 4 in your "comeback" category. Unless you mean coming back after Naruto saves him. Also his "solo strategy " category I would disagree with. Naruto's combat tactics are very unorthodox/unpredictable...and you can make the arguement in saying they're genius. I would also say sasuke's ability to "control himself" should be on level with naruto. Naruto is more immature, but Sasuke is mentally weak. Sasuke has always had mental breakdowns, and they didn't even have to come from Jutsu. Sasuke is only alive because people have LET him live. -coughs- Itachi and Haku -cough cough- Noticing things is almost unfair when comparing Sasuke and Naruto, as well. I don't know if you remember or not but Sasuke can see through most of the things easier than Naruto because he has the uhm...Sharingan. Sure, he is a little more...disciplined (if you will) than Naruto, but thats like saying Neji can see farther than Naruto...it's kind of something that shouldn't be taken into consideration. Also, for someone who was mocking about Naruto needing kyuubi. Look at Sasuke...its like he has a SEMI kyuubi with his seal AND he has the mighty sharingan. He managed to get whupped by someone who had never seen a sharingan (rock-lee when they first met). Oh, and about Naruto and Orochomaru. Sasuke was terrified and frozen solid pretty much by fear and Naruto was also terrified. The difference in them though is that Naruto's mental toughness/will gets him through surpass it (not getting over it, entirely...but willing himself to battle, unlike Sasuke). Sasuke has frozen on more than one occasion...does anybody remember where he was about to stab himself in the fight between Zabuza and Kakashi because he co uldn't take the tension? well...at least I think he was about to..kakashi had to tell him to stop. Then against Orochimaru...then Gaara. Sasuke has too many flaws. The other sad part about it is that he is trying to get more power through someone who is pretty much terrified of Itachi. Jesus....he's a traitor and not only did he JUST defect..he defected to Mr. Hokage killer....who is ALSO a traitor (he not only betrayed konoha..but he betrayed Akatsuki too! We all know how high Akatsuki's morals and standards are, too so yeah....<__<..) and all he wants Sasuke's body (as nasty as that sounds, I mean that literally...)..and Sasuke knows it, no less. Does anybody see why I think Sasuke should NEVER be said in the same phrase as "Leader"?

Yeah, I´m really surprised how people can still defend Sasuke to be a good person or even someone fitted for leadership after his shameless traison. You made another good point in the Kyuubi-Sharingan+Seal thing, people tend to desprestigiate Naruto by saying that his power comes all from the Kyuubi, but at the same time praise Sasuke for his Sharingan and the cursed seal. This is hypocrital, to say the least.

heheh i was too bz this days.. ok.. now we all have our different opinion.. as like what corojeon said.... we can settle it by giving criteria... after we settele the criteria.. then we can choose/vote according to what we want.. this is more sensible.. so we have basis,... just post what criteria should be.. and should not be included..

hey.. its not contradecting.. how can we say he is the worst leader.. in the first place he is not a leader.. thats y i said he COULD BE the worst leader but it doesnt mean he COULD NOT be a leader..

i luv to stay but i am bz this days.. just put the criteria so we can all choose.. hehehe... better yet.. put a comment y it shpuld b included...

until nxt time

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