That group was trained by Sarutobi, so the leader would be him. I don´t know if they had a team leader (that is, if Tsunade, Jiraiya or Orochimaru was the leader) but Orochimaru was the most advanced student of the 3. However, Orochimaru went wild when Sarutobi chose to become Hokage again instead of choosing him after Yondaime´s death (Sarutobi did this because he felt that Orochimaru only cared for power and not for protecting the village, which is the principal job of the Hokage). As said, Orochimaru went wild and started his experiments on Konoha ninjas, ´till Sarutobi found about them and he had to escape from Konoha (later, Sarutobi regret not having killed Orochimaru back then).

Even if he was the strongest in his group, Orochimaru lacked the necessary leading skills, most of all because he cared most about achieving power than of his teammates or the village.

no not the sannins i mean.. the four group team.. with tsunade.. his bf and two others... i dnt think tsunade is the leader ther.. just correct me if im wrong

Ok, I'm jumping into this small debate type thing. Correojon, I can agree with you about Sasuke and the power he'd gain with Kakashi had he not strayed to a certain degree. I think even though Sakura and Naruto would be training with Jiraiya and Tsunade, and Sasuke with Kakashi...that it could ultimately end up being a HUGE plus for Sasuke. While Kakashi already knows the pain of losing a 'best-friend', he could have taught Sasuke, who is driven by a guy (his bro) to KILL his best friend alot of valuable things. Kakashi also has a big advantage over Orochimaru (even though he lacks the power orochimaru does..) and that is that he HAS a Sharingan. Being taught by a fellow genius who also posseses a sharingan could have pretty much been better for him in his quest for power (he wants to strengthen it, after all since it's pretty much the only way to match itachi in battle). The possibilities are endless in a way since we all know how good a teacher Kakashi could be.

Sasuke, though could NEVER lead team 7...and not just because of the skills he lacks (there are many, btw) but for the simple fact Naruto would NEVER let himself be lead by Sasuke and vice versa.



Now...to what I finally wanted to get to...Recca, I don't mean any offense but do y ou have any logic what so ever when it comes to the personality traits a leader must posess? Sasuke is probably the LEAST suited to be a leader out of all...even worse than Naruto. All your arguements towards Sasuke are completely flawed and the only way to believe the things you've said regarding Sasuke's "leadership" qualities would be to literally trick yourself into thinking it's true. Honestly...it's one enormous happy family with 2 brothers and a sister...except that the brother is betraying his "family" to go with the person who killed their father. You are trying to make Sasuke out to be a saint and that it isn't his fault for willingly betraying an ENTIRE VILLAGE. That alone is extremely bad, but look who he actually went to. Oh...and about sasuke not attacking the "village"? This is how bad Sasuke is, Recca....Sasuke went to kill Naruto...and OROCHIMARU STOPPED HIM. How bad is THAT? Also...he doesn't have to attack the village....since they already had killed the hokage and all... I like Sasuke and all but I must say he is despicable...I would go out on a limb and say that he is worse than Itachi. Anyway...this isn't meant as an attack towards you personally. I am merely trying to have you realize that Sasuke is not fit to lead anything. He can't even lead himself or gain power by his own means. Like I said...I like Sasuke but the difference between you and me is that I recognize his very big character flaws. Again, no offense but just try to think a little more about the big picture...instead of when Sasuke shared his T.V dinner with Naruto.

oh yeah.. that saint thing again.. if im not mistaken i answerd that alredy.. its ok to comment.. dnt worry.. u got ur point of view i got mine.. im also luking at the big picture.. but the diffrence is that.. we are not luking it the same y.. i may b bias sometimes but i also recognices his down sides..u say that he lacks ofcourse he lacks some of it.. not everybody is perfect.. he's role is not to lead some team to go attack the enemies but the author makes him like change from the gud side to the bad side.. we cant argue with that coz thats the author want sasuke to be.. u got a point naruto wont let sasuke lead him.. ofcourse both of them have prides.. but in some circumstances.. they know how to work with each other.. either naruto is leading and telling sasuke what to do or vice versa.. but in the end.. we cant really say who could lead them coz everything is up to the author of naruto... if he wishes..... he can make pakon lead the team 7 if he want to.... and as to ur question.. im basing my logic to what i see..... and to what i understand.......

I am very happy to see that you didn't respond to me with hostility, so for that I thank you. Now, on to Sasuke...again...I don't mean to offend your point of view, but I think it is unfair to leave it up to the author as to how Sasuke will develop. The whole point is to pretty much "judge" Sasuke for what he already is. He isn't a real person who is being manipulated by some crazy author...<__<...

yah the point of this topic is the author chooses what sasuke does and how we interpret it and put in our opinion on it so............ from my opinion again i think sakura would lead team 7 because even after the time skip i feel that naruto still always rushes into battle over rage and doesnt think anything thru and i think sakura has really matured and has gained many leadership skills i mean after all she is bein taugh by the hokage.

Thats how I see it, Hawk. Sakura does seem to be the more sensible one of the three and has some smarts, too...plus she's a healer...something Naruto (especially) and Sasuke would need.. Naruto has leader *potential*....maybe...

heheh ok.. well everybody has its own opinion.. hehe on my point of view.. yes after the time skip.. i can also say sakura may also lead team 7.. coz as what u had said.. she has greatly change.. she is way different from the past sakura.. yes she is quite intelligent ( + for sakura.. - for naruto ) thats the advantage for sakura over naruto..( i'll give example.. naruto.. if not always... most of the time cannot determined if he is trap into a ninjutsu.... and in that aspect if ur team leader would be easily be trapped by ur enemies...

but... in some other aspect.. naruto has the strongest determination among the 3.... and its a plus point of being a leader.. ( he doesnt lost hope.. and for that hehe can lead his team and be an example to them and give them courage and inspiration..( hehe naruto is great for that.. dattebayo.... hahahahaha) but ofcourse its not enough coz due to that u can also lead ur team straight to death.. coz not all the time is attack ur enemy straight forward and dnt gve up.. of course sometimes u need to think of a plan on how to carry ur attack not just attack until the enemy is down... and in my oppinion sasauke has the advantage among the 3.. im not saying he is the best on that aspect.. coz we know that shika is better on that compare to sasuke.. im not saying also sasuke is the one who always thinks for the group but.. if not always.. most of the time.. heheh( theres an episode vs zabusa that naruto came up with the plan.... but........ without even naruto telling sasuke about it.. sasuke realise what naruto want to happen...... great ninja must be great in observing things and analysing the situation ( yehey + 1 for sasuke.. hehehe jowk..)

uhmm.. now sakura and sasuke who would i chose..?? hehe for what i notice.. sakura would mostly follow sasuke rather than vice versa... cos u see... like naruto... sasuke has also high pride.... he wont easily follow a girls order.. but come to think of it.. if sasuke gave the order to sakura.. sakura will mostly follow sasuke.. ( hehe plus the fact that he loves sasuke.. she wil do everything for him.. heheh).... so in the end... i still choose sasuke... hehehe..

and another thing... heheh come to think.. would sasuke and naruto allow sakura to lead them??? * sasuke and naruto has high pride.... u think they will recognise sakura being better than them? *

yah i agree that sakura would follow anything that sasuke told her too, but after the time skip I think that every1 has gained equal respect for each other (if sasuke had stayed i guess) and i think that both naruto and sasuke would be able to accept sakura as ther leader cause i think they have reconized that she has matured and can be both independent and a leader. and sasuke might be able to think up a plan to take down the enemy faster then sakura but what if the enemy is stronger then team 7? I dont think that sasuke would ever back down and what if sakura and/or naruto were knocked out/injured? remember sasuke is an avenger and will blindly attack the enemy over rage (and naruto would do the same). i think sakura would be wise and to bail out and save the entire team instead of getting revenge.and sasuke is always on the offence and leaders need to think up more defensive plan in case something goes wrong. sakura think about safety more than about attacking and those r good quality for a leader (remember thats the whole reason why shikamaru got promoted to chuunin, because he gave up instead of trying to take the enemy).

(i know we each have our own opinions, but i just love to debate so your move recca lol)

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	.. if not always.. most of the time.. heheh( theres an episode vs zabusa that naruto came up with the plan.... but........ without even naruto telling sasuke about it.. sasuke realise what naruto want to happen...... great ninja must be great in observing things and analysing the situation ( yehey + 1 for sasuke.. hehehe jowk..)

Wrong, Naruto did tell Sasuke about the plan. Just before going Kage Bunshin he approached Sasuke and whispered something to him (not all the plan, but he did tell him something to make him undertand Naruto´s move was in fact part of a distraction). Also, apart from that thing in the Chuunin exam, I can´t remember Sasuke planning another thing. He tried against Haku but failed miserably and Naruto saved the day with his Kyuubi in the end when they were inside the Demonic Ice Mirrors...And you are also forgetting that Naruto is "the #1 ninja in surprising people". No one can think of such imaginative tactics as him, not even Shikamaru! Just remember his fight against Kiba or how he ended the fight against Neji, using a normal clone instead of a shadow one which Neji couldn´t have detected.

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	and sasuke might be able to think up a plan to take down the enemy faster then sakura but what if the enemy is stronger then team 7? I dont think that sasuke would ever back down and what if sakura and/or naruto were knocked out/injured? remember sasuke is an avenger and will blindly attack the enemy over rage (and naruto would do the same)

Sure? Remember that against Orochimaru Sasuke went paralized by fear. And later, against Gaara, he couldn´t do anything but stare at Naruto fighting. Even Naruto who was crashed in the end, kept on approaching Gaara when the fight was about to end.

I think the best way to solve this would be to make a sort of objetive comparation:
<table><tr><td></td><td>Naruto</td><td>Sakura</td><td>Sasuke</td></tr>
<td>Overall power</td><td>+2</td><td>+1</td><td>+2</td></tr>
<td>Teamwork</td><td>+1</td><td>+2</td><td>+1</td></tr>
<td>Intelligence</td><td>0</td><td>+2</td><td>+2</td></tr>
<td>Caring for the others</td><td>+2</td><td>+2</td><td>0</td></tr>
<td>Reliability</td><td>+2</td><td>+1</td><td>0</td></tr>
<td>Capacity to inspire the others</td><td>+2</td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr>
<td>Respect from the others</td><td>+2</td><td>+1</td><td>+2</td></tr>
<td>Tactics</td><td>+2</td><td>+2</td><td>+1</td></tr>
<td>TOTAL</td><td>13</td><td>11</td><td>7</td></tr></table>

You may agree or not with this, but I think there´s something that can´t be denied: Sasuke´s skills only surpass or equal the skills of the others in the individual field, when it comes about teamwork and relationship with the others he is too far away from Naruto and Sakura.

I dont think Naruto is ready to be team leader, much less Hokage. Sakura would be the closest to being both. Sasuke could never be hokage, much less team leader.

i think that sasuke is should get a +1 in reliability and sakura should get +2 in respect from others cause i think that they have all gained equal respect for each other by now. and naruto should have +1 in tactics and both sasuke and sakura should have +1 in inspire others. so it would be.................................. naruto: +12, sakura: +13, sasuke: +9 ......so .......
go sakura

Hmm.... Interesting, but not quite the criteria I would judge a leader by. You have to factor in the fact that Naruto is way too emotional. Shikamaru was made a leader specifically because he was able to judge a situation without showing emotion. Naruto is reliable, but too emotional, and cannot handle missions where his teamates are not put in mortal danger. In addition when that requirment is fufilled he endangers his teamates with the kyuubi's Chakra.

....................... Naruto ..........Sakura .......Sasuke
Intelligence........ 1/5.....5/5.........4/5
Strategy .......... 4/5 ....... 4/5 ........ 4/5
Teamwork ........... 3/5 .......... 2/5 ........ 1/5
Judgement ......... 1/5 ........ 4/5......... 5/5
Reliability ......... 5/5 ...... 1/5 ...... 3/5
Loyalty ......... 5/5 ....... 3/5 ........ 1/5
Emotion ......... 0/5 ....... 2/5........ 4/5
Outcome ........ 1/5 ........ 3/5 ......... 5/5

Well it's simple for me, Naruto may be a good at strategy sometimes but most of the time he charges blindly forward without a plan. Judgment is really important for a leader, the ability to acess a situation would be very important in ninja sitiations. Naruto has way too many emotions, he uses the emotions to activate the kyuubi but they often get him in trouble before hand. Outcome is pretty clear cut, at the end of a mission, what state are they in. Naruto comes back from every mission battered and bruised, even when he suceeds he's too worn out to fight even 1 more opponent if one appeared. Sakura is definitely the next best choice besides Sasuke, and she's gotten better, she's not fearfull like she was before. Also, strength doesn't matter for a leader, it helps but leaders need to intelligent more than strong. Even if they're not strong as long as they are able to protect their teamates, it's fine.

In the end Naruto is 20, Sasuke is 27 and Sakura is 24.

i would rate by...... (after time skip)
.............................................NARUTO...............................SAKURA.................................SASUKE
Strength in Fighting:.................5/5........................................3/5.........................................5/5
Support:..................................4/5........................................5/5.........................................2/5
Team Strategy:........................3/5........................................4/5.........................................2/5
Solo Strategy:..........................4/5........................................1/5.........................................5/5
Making a Comback:..................5/5........................................3/5.........................................4/5
Respect from Team:..................3/5........................................3/5.........................................3/5
Intelligence:.............................1/5........................................5/5.........................................4/5
Ability to Control Themselves:...1/5........................................4/5..........................................3/5
Ability to Catch on to Plan:........1/5........................................4/5..........................................4/5
Caring for Others:....................5/5........................................5/5..........................................1/5
Inspire Others:........................5/5........................................4/5...........................................1/5

OVERALL:...............................37/55...................................41/55........................................34/55

thats wat i think, remember comment if u think anything is off and well c wat u guys think (remember to rate them on their actions AFTER the timeskip)

hehe

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Wrong, Naruto did tell Sasuke about the plan. Just before going Kage Bunshin he approached Sasuke and whispered something to him (not all the plan, but he did tell him something to make him undertand Naruto´s move was in fact part of a distraction). Also, apart from that thing in the Chuunin exam, I can´t remember Sasuke planning another thing. He tried against Haku but failed miserably and Naruto saved the day with his Kyuubi in the end when they were inside the Demonic Ice Mirrors...And you are also forgetting that Naruto is "the #1 ninja in surprising people". No one can think of such imaginative tactics as him, not even Shikamaru! Just remember his fight against Kiba or how he ended the fight against Neji, using a normal clone instead of a shadow one which Neji couldn´t have detected.

in episode nine.. naruto explain it.. its clearly stated.. yeah.. naruto whispered to sasuke but ur not sure what did he really said to sasuke.. (maybe he told sasuke that he has great crush on him.. hehhe lol...) xcept.. if u here wat naruto whisperd to sasuke.. hehehe lol...

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	Sure? Remember that against Orochimaru Sasuke went paralized by fear. And later, against Gaara, he couldn´t do anything but stare at Naruto fighting. Even Naruto who was crashed in the end, kept on approaching Gaara when the fight was about to end.

oh yeah... who wouldn't be paralysed if ur in that situation? if oruchimaru wanted to.. he can do the same to sakura and naruto//


....................... Naruto ..........Sakura .......Sasuke
Overall power.... 3/3 .........1/3...... 3/3 ----------------- naruto(kyubi) sasuke( sharingan)
Intelligence........ 1/3.....3/3.........2/3 ---------------- i dnt need to xplain
Strategy .......... 3/3 ....... 2/3 ........ 3/3 ---------------- naruto can came up great strategy out of nowhere..
Teamwork ........... 2/3 .......... 2/3 ........ 2/3 ----------- for me.. they had great teamwork in there team..
Judgement ......... 1/3 ........ 2/3.........3/3 ------------- do i need to xplain this
Reliability ......... 2/3 ...... 2/3 ...... 2/3 ------------------ i think all of them are reilable
Loyalty ......... 3/3 ....... 3/3 ........ 1/3 ----------------- i gave 1 to sasuke.. coz he's been also loyal wen he is still in konoha
capacity to read the situation ----------------- naruto can get easily caught in genjutsu...
.....1/3......2/3.....3/3
determination... 3/3 .... 2/3 .... 3/3 ---------------------- naruto and sasuke had great determination towrd ther own goal//
total.......... 19..... 19..... 22....

Yeah, but the only reason he failed against haku was because he had to bloc naruto. He knew it was a trap but didnt care because he wanted to save him. Who knows if he would have been ablke to defeat Haku if he hadnt sacrificed himself for naruto

.............................................NARUTO...............................SAKURA.................................SASUKE
Strength in Fighting:.................5/5........................................3/5.........................................5/5
Support:..................................2/5........................................5/5.........................................2/5
Team Strategy:........................1/5........................................4/5.........................................5/5
Solo Strategy:..........................4/5........................................1/5.........................................5/5
Making a Comback:..................5/5........................................3/5.........................................4/5
Respect from Team:..................0/5.................................... ...2/5.........................................4/5
Intelligence:.............................0/5........................................5/5.........................................4/5
Ability to Control Themselves:...1/5........................................3/5..........................................2/5
Ability to Catch on to Plan:........0/5........................................4/5..........................................5/5
Caring for Others:....................5/5........................................5/5..........................................1/5
Inspire Others:........................5/5........................................1/5...........................................3/5

OVERALL:...............................28/55...................................36/55........................................40/55

My ratings. I liked his system most. You give Team 7 too much credit. I'm rating them as ninja, the best possible/perfect ninja being a 55/55. I think Naruto is one of the worst ninja due to his lack of intelligence in just about every situation he is ever in. But, his determination and strength are the only things that keep him alive with the Fox's chakra of course. Sasuke's abilities to read situations and fight are beyond both others, although Sakura's intelligence is pretty close too. We are giving too much credit to Sakura. Maybe we should add some columns like Fear of others, or Cowardice or something.

- Magic

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	in episode nine.. naruto explain it.. its clearly stated.. yeah.. naruto whispered to sasuke but ur not sure what did he really said to sasuke.. (maybe he told sasuke that he has great crush on him.. hehhe lol...) xcept.. if u here wat naruto whisperd to sasuke.. hehehe lol...

Yeah you´re right, in that situation it´s clear that Naruto was telling Sasuke the recipe to do Ramen with Rasengan. Come on!

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	oh yeah... who wouldn't be paralysed if ur in that situation? if oruchimaru wanted to.. he can do the same to sakura and naruto//

You´re wrong, as we all saw how Naruto wasn´t paralized by fear. Do you think that someone can paralize Naruto with fear? He may be a stupid and lack a lotof skills but he´s got an enormous determination and has decided to follow his way of Ninja no matter what it costs. Naruto´s trademark skill is that he never gives up or runs away. This is undeniable.

I think we should first decide the skills needed by a leader and then try to agree in a classification of each character. These are what I propose:
<li>Intelligence</li>
<li>Tactics</li>
<li>Determination</li>
<li>Teamwork: this reffers to how well does this character work with others.</li>
<li>Caring for the others</li>
<li>Abbility to inspire the others</li>
<li>Loyalty</li>
<li>Right hand: abbility to communicate with others giving orders in a way that implicate the others in the plan rather than just force them to follow it.</li>

Should we are some more or discard any?

I think we shouldn´t take into consideration the power of each one as it isn´t a skill needed for leading, even the weakest one can be a great leader (if Shikamaru didn´t have his Shadow Bind he would still be amazing, don´t you agree? Or even in a Sasuke-Naruto-Shika team we all need who will be the leader).
Judgement is implicit in tacitcs and intelligence, that´s why I didn´t add that one.
Reliabity is implicit in Loyalty, so it was also discarded.

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	Yeah you´re right, in that situation it´s clear that Naruto was telling Sasuke the recipe to do Ramen with Rasengan. Come on!

oh yeah.. heheh.. im just joking around.. but seriosly... its clearly stated in episode 9... " Sasuke notice that it was me right after he caught it".... " then he tool out his shuriken and used the shadow shurken technique"... if u dnt trust me.. try to watch it urself.. i just copy the exact sub translation in that episode... if u want i cant share that episode to u..

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	You´re wrong, as we all saw how Naruto wasn´t paralized by fear. Do you think that someone can paralize Naruto with fear? He may be a stupid and lack a lotof skills but he´s got an enormous determination and has decided to follow his way of Ninja no matter what it costs. Naruto´s trademark skill is that he never gives up or runs away. This is undeniable.

yeah i know that.. but... 3 of them is afraid in that point.. seeing how strong oruchimaru is... even with the fight of gaara... naruto is very afraid but of course he still came up and win the fight... another thing... in the case of sasuke.. he was the target of oruchimaru.. but if u place naruto in the shoes of sasuke.. dnt u think same will happen.. or even sakura... oruchimaru.. is way to powerful back then and they are not that strong either.. they can be easily put to paralysed by oruchimaru if he wanted to.. uhmmmmm for ur question about paralysing naruto... i guess.. itachi can do the trick... using his mangekyo.. but im not very sure of that.. coz.. one factor.. naruto dnt have sharingan.. kakashi says only sharingan users can look at the eye.. and another thing.. whoa how surprising.. the kyubi can save the day again.. heheh

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I think we shouldn´t take into consideration the power of each one as it isn´t a skill needed for leading, even the weakest one can be a great leader (if Shikamaru didn´t have his Shadow Bind he would still be amazing, don´t you agree? Or even in a Sasuke-Naruto-Shika team we all need who will be the leader). Judgement is implicit in tacitcs and intelligence, that´s why I didn´t add that one. Reliabity is implicit in Loyalty, so it was also discarded.

hehe yeah i agree to that anyone can be a leader.. thats y u cant say that sasuke is not capable of being a leader... as u can see... it depends on the situation... the sannins... yes who do u think lead the group.. of course.. it can result again to another arguement.. but.. come to think of it.. those sannins are great leaders.... and this team 7 somewhat resembles them...

judgement.. for me its needed.. yes u can be intelligent.. but it doesnt mean ur gud in judgement also.. its like theory and application. ur gud in theory.. but u can be poor to application.. judgement can be acquire through xperience.. for example.. yes u know genjutso.. but.. in the real thing can u really determine which is real and not real... ( great example is naruto.... yes he knows what genjutso is but he is often cauhgt by it... heheh a great leader must have gud judgement.. coz.. he is the one who decides what to do...

i prefer.. reliabilty.. yes ur loyal to ur team... bur if ur not that reliable.. how can u be a gud leader..]


heheh like what magic said.. they give too much credit to sakura... heheh but its their opinion.. hehehe

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Quote: Yeah you´re right, in that situation it´s clear that Naruto was telling Sasuke the recipe to do Ramen with Rasengan. Come on! oh yeah.. heheh.. im just joking around.. but seriosly... its clearly stated in episode 9... " Sasuke notice that it was me right after he caught it".... " then he tool out his shuriken and used the shadow shurken technique"... if u dnt trust me.. try to watch it urself.. i just copy the exact sub translation in that episode... if u want i cant share that episode to u.. Quote: You´re wrong, as we all saw how Naruto wasn´t paralized by fear. Do you think that someone can paralize Naruto with fear? He may be a stupid and lack a lotof skills but he´s got an enormous determination and has decided to follow his way of Ninja no matter what it costs. Naruto´s trademark skill is that he never gives up or runs away. This is undeniable. yeah i know that.. but... 3 of them is afraid in that point.. seeing how strong oruchimaru is... even with the fight of gaara... naruto is very afraid but of course he still came up and win the fight... another thing... in the case of sasuke.. he was the target of oruchimaru.. but if u place naruto in the shoes of sasuke.. dnt u think same will happen.. or even sakura... oruchimaru.. is way to powerful back then and they are not that strong either.. they can be easily put to paralysed by oruchimaru if he wanted to.. uhmmmmm for ur question about paralysing naruto... i guess.. itachi can do the trick... using his mangekyo.. but im not very sure of that.. coz.. one factor.. naruto dnt have sharingan.. kakashi says only sharingan users can look at the eye.. and another thing.. whoa how surprising.. the kyubi can save the day again.. heheh Quote: I think we shouldn´t take into consideration the power of each one as it isn´t a skill needed for leading, even the weakest one can be a great leader (if Shikamaru didn´t have his Shadow Bind he would still be amazing, don´t you agree? Or even in a Sasuke-Naruto-Shika team we all need who will be the leader). Judgement is implicit in tacitcs and intelligence, that´s why I didn´t add that one. Reliabity is implicit in Loyalty, so it was also discarded. hehe yeah i agree to that anyone can be a leader.. thats y u cant say that sasuke is not capable of being a leader... as u can see... it depends on the situation... the sannins... yes who do u think lead the group.. of course.. it can result again to another arguement.. but.. come to think of it.. those sannins are great leaders.... and this team 7 somewhat resembles them... judgement.. for me its needed.. yes u can be intelligent.. but it doesnt mean ur gud in judgement also.. its like theory and application. ur gud in theory.. but u can be poor to application.. judgement can be acquire through xperience.. for example.. yes u know genjutso.. but.. in the real thing can u really determine which is real and not real... ( great example is naruto.... yes he knows what genjutso is but he is often cauhgt by it... heheh a great leader must have gud judgement.. coz.. he is the one who decides what to do... i prefer.. reliabilty.. yes ur loyal to ur team... bur if ur not that reliable.. how can u be a gud leader..] heheh like what magic said.. they give too much credit to sakura... heheh but its their opinion.. hehehe

ok well im guna have to split the argument in half........ sasuke heard half the plan from naruto and figured the other part later .......

ok about the naruto and fear recca ur way off..... first of all even if naruto is afraid of gaara and orochimaru at least he still fought.....and sasuke had no idea that that was orochimaru they all thought that it was just another genin and oroch was targeting naruto also cause they were fighting while sasuke jus watched in fear...... and correojon question was could u paralyze naruto with FEAR, not a teqnique read things more carfully...... i mean itachi could paralyze even the most fearless ppl with the mangekyou i mean cmon u have a mental breakdown......

and obviously tusnade would be leader if the 3 sannin were on a team because jiraiya would decline....... and well hell orochimaru is gay and a psycho i mean he may be like the hokage of the sound but he still the worst leader ever..... hes totally evil and doesnt mind betraying and killing his teammates.....

and the reason i give so much credit to sakura is because its once again after the timeskip, if it was before then sakura is just useless and sasuke would be leader, but after the timeskip sakura has learned much from the hokage on how to be a leader....