just what like ive said after that thats a different story.. remember.. sasuke is recovering for what oru did to him.. he still cant control the seal.. think also the fact that sasuke didnt have that much training also in that one month that given befor the final exam.. but naruto has all the time in the world to train and also other character.. but sasuke is in bed recuperating.. bit was just the later part he start to train.. in the span of one month.. all of them gotten stronger.. so u cant take forgranted that one month.. hehehe

Whatever the reasons are, the facts are that Sasuke thinks that Naruto has surpassed him, that´s why he challenges him in the hospital and that´s one of the main reasons for him to join Orochimichael Jackson . He just wants more power, he sees how Naruto has surpassed him and how even his brother Itachi isn´t interested in him at all, but in Naruto. So back in the chuunin exam, when Naruto beat Neji, I think that he could have beaten Sasuke as well.

We´ll never know who is stronger until we see them fight each other (which I think won´t happen, I think that Sasuke´s fights will be reserved for Naruto), but the facts now, are that Neji is a Jounin and Sasuke a GENIN Of course Sasuke is much more powerful than a Genin, but both were the best genins of their respective years. And Sasuke lacks one very important thing to become a Jounin: a strong will of protecting someone. As we saw in the Chuunin exam, power is not the only thing needed to become a Chuunin (Shiika has no power at all but his abbilities are much better that people who surpass him by far in this field). And Sasuke only seeks power, exactly the same attitude that prevented Orochimaru from being chosen Hokage in the past.

yeah.. i also want to see both fights.. but i cant choose betwen them coz theyre both my fave char..so i cant be bias.. hehe..

hey u forgot something.. sasuke is the reason y naruto won over that ninja.. remember at first attack the guy with rasengan it didnt even make a light break.. but when sasuke attack it with his chidori.. it made a crack.. and lucky for naruto he notice it.. and make his attack their.. sasuke is also like neji.. his blinded with goal to become stronger.. both of them dont loose thier cool that easily.. also like neji's overconfidence.. his blinded with that also.. but made him realise,, and for the genin part.. how can he become a chunin coz he ran away.. so when he got to oruchimaru.. instant jounin.. hehhe (coz oruchimaru i think dnt have genins or chunins in his side) he dnt accept weaklings.. uhmm in that state.. neji is still a genin hehehe..

and y do u think they still after for sasuke..? maybe they like him a lot and promote him to ANBU instantly.. hehehe nah.. jsut kiding..

and by d way.. when sasuke got his second stage he beats naruto.. and the kyubi even recognise the power of sasuke but give him also a warning not to kill naruto.. hehehehe.. i'd like also to share it but theres still no forum for sasuke.. hehehhe

i had also a great idea about of the two.. hehehehe.. but its gonna be out of topic.. i'll just post it somewhere tommoro.. hehe i need to sleep.. hehe

	recca wrote:
	hey u forgot something.. sasuke is the reason y naruto won over that ninja.. remember at first attack the guy with rasengan it didnt even make a light break.. but when sasuke attack it with his chidori.. it made a crack.. and lucky for naruto he notice it.. and make his attack their..

that episode was filler, the real reason that pushed sasuke over the edge to fight naruto and then seek out orochimaru was itahci wanting naruto, not sasuke. and that combined with naruto being about to defeat gaara when sasuke couldn't was just too much for him. and also when he saw naruto use the rasengan during their first fight and saw what it could do, he thought he wasn't growing in power enough.

Like I said, Neji is not on the level of Itachi (obviously) but is the best thing since. People forget how Rock-Lee would have PWND Sasuke had they kept fighting in the chuunin exam WITH the weights on. Neji can whup Rock-Lee basically. Shikimaru is a better strategist, Recca and thats not what I meant with Neji being smarter than him. I don't think Sakura's chakra control is better than Nejis at all, they compare sakura to HER class, not Neji's class. Also, look at Neji's moves and tell me his chakra control (and accuracy with his hands) is not amazing. Neji, in the chuunin exam was on a whole different level than everybody else. He could have beaten Sasuke, Naruto, and Sakura at the same time. Keep in mind also, that neji ONLY has his byakugan, while sasuke has a seal AND sharingan. In terms of knowledge, power, and skill...Neji is in his own league because he has each one in abundance. Look at it this way also...Kakashi who has a sharingan was training Sasuke who also has a sharingan, while Neji didn't have someone with a byakugan teaching him at the time, making his progress seem unreal when you do the comparison. Sasuke would not have been a Jounin had hey stayed. He lacks the mentality. Neji was better than Naruto in the test is my opinion also. Look at the circumstances (halted chakra flow but naruto had an unnatural...SECOND, nearly unlimited chakra source).

Tenken wrote:

Like I said, Neji is not on the level of Itachi (obviously) but is the best thing since. People forget how Rock-Lee would have PWND Sasuke had they kept fighting in the chuunin exam WITH the weights on. Neji can whup Rock-Lee basically. Shikimaru is a better strategist, Recca and thats not what I meant with Neji being smarter than him. I don't think Sakura's chakra control is better than Nejis at all, they compare sakura to HER class, not Neji's class. Also, look at Neji's moves and tell me his chakra control (and accuracy with his hands) is not amazing. Neji, in the chuunin exam was on a whole different level than everybody else. He could have beaten Sasuke, Naruto, and Sakura at the same time. Keep in mind also, that neji ONLY has his byakugan, while sasuke has a seal AND sharingan. In terms of knowledge, power, and skill...Neji is in his own league because he has each one in abundance. Look at it this way also...Kakashi who has a sharingan was training Sasuke who also has a sharingan, while Neji didn't have someone with a byakugan teaching him at the time, making his progress seem unreal when you do the comparison. Sasuke would not have been a Jounin had hey stayed. He lacks the mentality. Neji was better than Naruto in the test is my opinion also. Look at the circumstances (halted chakra flow but naruto had an unnatural...SECOND, nearly unlimited chakra source).

i agree wit almost everythin u said but neji can NOT beat naruto sasuke and sakura at the same time, naruto beat him alone, and sauske can easily become a jounin hes alrdy mastered lightning and fire elements.

I was talking about in the earlier parts of the chuunin exam...when all the leaf ninjas were still there (why would I have mentioned Rock-Lee if I was talking about latter part of the exam?). Either way, Neji could have beaten Sasuke in my opinion in the latter part of the chuunin exam as well. Naruto won against neji, he didn't BEAT him. There is a difference, because neji BEAT naruto, but naruto won the match.....and Sasuke cannot easily become a jounin just based on power...he is jounin level power wise, but only that. Like I said, he lacks the mantality and I don't think he would have EVER became a jounin had he stayed because of it. Compared to Neji, Sasuke is a whiny little immature brat.

ummm ok why r u even tlking about b4 the latter part of the chunnin no1 cares about back then. naruto can still WIN against neji which is the same as beating him cause he never gives up and can jus release the 9 tails if he get hurt, and why dont explain why u think sauske is a whiny brat considerin sasuke never whine like naruto and wth does mentality mean? If itachi would jus die sasuke could be a great leader. i mean im not sayin neji is bad, i think hes awsome hes one of me fav char (along wit shika and kakashi) but u dont need to diss every1 else in the process

Hawk442 wrote:

ummm ok why r u even tlking about b4 the latter part of the chunnin no1 cares about back then. naruto can still WIN against neji which is the same as beating him cause he never gives up and can jus release the 9 tails if he get hurt, and why dont explain why u think sauske is a whiny brat considerin sasuke never whine like naruto and wth does mentality mean? If itachi would jus die sasuke could be a great leader. i mean im not sayin neji is bad, i think hes awsome hes one of me fav char (along wit shika and kakashi) but u dont need to diss every1 else in the process

Sasuke is a whiny little immature brat because:
-He only cares about himself
-He really thinks is better than anyone else
-He only gives importance to his own affairs
-He´s able to harm the people who care about him most to achieve his goals
-He has no ethic, as he thinks that he can do whatever it takes to achieve his goal ("the goal justifies the path").

Correct, Correojon. Sasuke would NOT make a great leader if Itachi died, Hawk. Tell me, what reason would Sasuke find in his wise, mature, natural-born leading self to live (sarcasm), after Itachi dies. He's gunna mope around because all this time he only thought about killing Itachi (which he can't even do, mind you!). Honestly...who would he be leading...wait..better yet...who would WANT to be lead by him after all this trouble he costs for people for his own selfish reasons. Also, that is my point precisely, Hawk. Bringing up the Kyuubi like that was my exact point. Neji does not give up either, and IS A BETTER NINJA THAN NARUTO when it comes to all around...well..everything. The kyuubi isn't even his (not part of his god given talent) so obviously Naruto has a huge edge with the whole...super-mega-strong/unlimited type chakra/demon inside him. Oh yeah...and he is also being trained by Jiraiya....But yeah, Naruto IS good, he just isn't on Neji's level when you think about the overall picture instead of just going "NARUTO HAS KYUUBI, HE NEVER GIVES UP, HE WILL WIN!". Not taking anything away from Naruto, btw cuz I think he's awesome. Sasuke was only considered a genius because he was pretty good compared to the rest of his class at the time and was an uchiha. He is nothing compared to t he ninjas who were considered geniuses at his age. just look at it this way..Look at the difference in power between Sasuke...and Haku (at the time, who Kakashi praised him as Jounin level and was also like the same age as Naruto...imagine if he had killer instinct? Michaelmaru Jackson would be after him instead), Neji, and Itachi. THOSE are geniuses..

hintai is so cute thats all i got to say about hintai

alright alright i give, u guys r right that sauske cant lead but he can still beat neji in a 1on1 match (talking about the current sasuke in the manga) and i agree that the 9 tails is the only reason why naruto won against neji but he still won agaist him. and naruto didnt ask for the nine tails he jus got it at birth. neji is best all around but that doesnt mean he can beat every1 in a battle.

i totaly agre.. noone in the story can beat everyone.. its like a cycle.. one character is stronger than the other and weaker in another character..

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	Sasuke is a whiny little immature brat because: -He only cares about himself -He really thinks is better than anyone else -He only gives importance to his own affairs -He´s able to harm the people who care about him most to achieve his goals -He has no ethic, as he thinks that he can do whatever it takes to achieve his goal ("the goal justifies the path").

oh.. my two fav char are really a like...
neji only cares about himself also.. (before naryto made him realise) he dnt even train with hinata( that his relative / and also his duty to protect coz of the brach family thing) he also dnt ever care.

neji really thinks is better than anyone else ( the its destined to happen thing.. the weak always loose coz thats their fate..)

3rd and 4th.. hehe remember what he did to hinata to the prelims.. hinata has great respect to neji.. but what did neji do to her.. he will kill his own relative for his own goal to take revenge to the main family.. he give only importance to his own affair dnt minding even if he wuld kill his own relative coz to what he see a weakling and deserve to die coz thats her faith.

oh.. now i see.. doing whatever it takes to achive ur goal means u dnt have ethics.. then the hokage.. also the 4th and other jounins that do everything inorder to succed in their mission.. their even giving their lyf inorder reach their golas then u'll just say they dnt have ethics..? i think its unfair for them.. neji has also done the "no ethics" thing u say.. giving his all with the fight with kido.. HE'll DO EVERYTHING EVEN GIVING HIS LYF JUST TO DEFEAT HIS OPPONENT.

now if thats ur basis of sasuke being whiny little immature brat then that makes also neji the same too? heheh o well they are both may fave char.. they share same characteristics.. heehe

recca wrote:

i totaly agre.. noone in the story can beat everyone.. its like a cycle.. one character is stronger than the other and weaker in another character.. Quote: Sasuke is a whiny little immature brat because: -He only cares about himself -He really thinks is better than anyone else -He only gives importance to his own affairs -He´s able to harm the people who care about him most to achieve his goals -He has no ethic, as he thinks that he can do whatever it takes to achieve his goal ("the goal justifies the path"). oh.. my two fav char are really a like... neji only cares about himself also.. (before naryto made him realise) he dnt even train with hinata( that his relative / and also his duty to protect coz of the brach family thing) he also dnt ever care.

Well, that has changed now, as you have said. Neji cares about Hinata and even trains with her father. And Neji also cares about other, just continue reading. Sasuke has also changed, but for worse.

	recca wrote:
	neji really thinks is better than anyone else ( the its destined to happen thing.. the weak always loose coz thats their fate..)

That has also changed since his fights with Naruto and Jiroubou. Sasuke on the other hand, continues the same or worse. Much worse, in fact.

	recca wrote:
	3rd and 4th.. hehe remember what he did to hinata to the prelims.. hinata has great respect to neji.. but what did neji do to her.. he will kill his own relative for his own goal to take revenge to the main family.. he give only importance to his own affair dnt minding even if he wuld kill his own relative coz to what he see a weakling and deserve to die coz thats her faith.

The main difference between Neji and Sasuke is that Hinata didn´t care about Neji or Neji about Hinata (Hinata just had fear of him as she had of almost everyone back then). They were just relatives but didn´t have any relationship back then (not even friends). Sasuke, on the other hand, has recognized Naruto as his best friend and even then he amost killed him. He has also ignored totally Sakura and beat her to leave Konoha. Even when Neji was like him, and even though he couldn´t care less about Hinata (and with reason) he asked Hinata more than once to give up because he didn´t want to kill her. See the differences? Neji had a lot of reasons to kill Hinata, but he asked her to retreat and save her life, conscious that he could kill her wih no problem.

recca wrote:

oh.. now i see.. doing whatever it takes to achive ur goal means u dnt have ethics.. then the hokage.. also the 4th and other jounins that do everything inorder to succed in their mission.. their even giving their lyf inorder reach their golas then u'll just say they dnt have ethics..? i think its unfair for them.. neji has also done the "no ethics" thing u say.. giving his all with the fight with kido.. HE'll DO EVERYTHING EVEN GIVING HIS LYF JUST TO DEFEAT HIS OPPONENT.

That has nothing to do with ethic. Neji did that because he had made a promise and because the loss of his life won´t affect anyone but him. Same with the Hokage and the Jounins. Neji wasn´t searching for any personal benefit in that fight, in fact he even was doing it for another person. Like the Hokage, who died for the village.
However Sasuke´s acts have only 1 destination: him gaining power. He doesn´t care if he hurts badly a friend, or if people like Neji, Shika, Chouji, Lee or Kiba were about to die for him when fighting the Sound 5. See the difference? In that example you gave Neji was going to give his life for Sasuke! Haha, the worst example you could´ve picked

	recca wrote:
	now if thats ur basis of sasuke being whiny little immature brat then that makes also neji the same too? heheh o well they are both may fave char.. they share same characteristics.. heehe

As you see, they differ a lot

of course they differ coz u cmpare the change neji... and hey.. sasuke haven't killed anybody..? his after for power right.. but.. what u dnt understand is that.. he not gonna get power like itachi intended to him..

now u give a gud example.. "almost kill naruto" there were a time that sasuke could kill naruto( killing naruto = killing bestfrend = attain power(mangekyu according to itachi) but sasuke and kakashi had prove that itachi is wrong... sasuke enhanched his sharingan capability without killing his best friend (naruto) so u just see he negative side.. u dnt see the other side.. i dnt blame u to be bias coz in the first place its neji's forum here.. but try to look in both side.. i know both character has negative side on their own.. ur just trying to see the negative part of the other and the positive of the other.. try to look both side to see what i mean.. i not bias either of the two coz both are my fav...

to sakura.. u just see the beat thing.. BUT u dnt get the point of the whole idea in that sequence.. before he KO sakura he \acknowledge and thank sakura for all she did.. and he didnt do that if sakura force him too.. like neji givng warning to hinata.. sasuke also gave warning to sakura too.. and also left her in the bench not in the ground...

yeah i give the best example... neji would sacrifice his for sasuke coz he loves him so much... heheh he's jealos micheal oruchimaru will take sasuke from him.. hehehe coz.. all we know.. sasuke is the coolest boy in town.. everyone is after him.. nyaknyaknyak.. ( now im being bias.. hehhehe).. nah.. just kidding..

Yeah, both characters have a negative side, but the difference is that Neji has tried hard to eliminate it while Sasuke has done the total opposite. All the bad things you say about Neji aren´t there anymore, not in the anime and not in the manga. While Sasuke´s latest appearances in both media show his bad side clearer and stronger than ever.

What I can´t understand is you saying you´re a Neji fan. You are ignoring all the effort and all the changes he has come through just to hope that he seems as low as Sasuke. Now you´re even saying that both of them are the worst (just not to admit all the arguments we´ve given you).

Sasuke´s good side are only his fighting skills. He´s very good in that, but he´s the worst person of all the genins, even worse than the superficial and stupid Ino. And with skills alone I don´t think he would become a Jounin. His only way to become one was to stay in Konoha and continue learning about teamwork and the importance of your friends. A Chuunin can lead a team, a Jounin too. No one will put a team in Sasuke´s hands in his current condition.

i know in his state now he cant be leader.. ofcourse he still didnt overcome that burden not like neji.. avenging his clan is his priority..thats y he seek power to do that.. its like this his doing everything and will do everything inorder to reach his goal.. u can cmpare that to neji state befro naruto made him realise.. im also a neji fan.. but what im trying to say is that.. cmpare them in the same state not like neji had change.. of course i know his changed thats y i like the neji now than the before neji..u cant understand sasuke's part.. he do everything to get power but his also trying to reach it without harming his friends... eventhough his blinded by the fact that he should gets stronger so that he can avenge his clan.. but his not falling for the trap of itachi.. yes.. his seeking power but not lyk itachi nor oru way..

even though he is in oruchimaru's side.. he dont recognise oruchimaru as a master..

The irony in Sasuke's situation is quite amusing when you say that, Recca. Sasuke..apparently...must not notice it. He is trying to AVENGE his clan...by killing the last survivor? <__<... Also, you are trying to make Sasuke appear like a saint. The fact is...he IS ON OROCHIMARU'S SIDE! There is no way to candy coat it. It's like a spit in the face to everybody and their sacrifices. Oh, and you can't compare Sasuke to Itachi because the situation is not the same. Neji's BIGGEST problem he HAD at the time doesn't even compare to Sasuke's.

yeah ur right.. coz he thinks killing itachi will avnge the death of his clan.. yeah its a bit awkward but thats the story goes.. and that what itachi planted on his mind.. hehehe..

Sasuke's smart if your the only one of your clan you can be the only one left to produce it!! -----------